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August 11, 2011

Better Buying Now Than March 2009

Better Buying Now Than March 2009

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The All Ords index might be up 35% from its low on 6 March 2009, but the opportunities today are as good as they were then.

Firstly, there is substantially more redundancy in the system due to the market recapitalisation of 2009 and 2010. Thanks to $42bn of capital raised in 2008, $67bn in 2009 and conservative dividend payout ratios, the amount of debt carried by our listed companies is significantly more manageable.

Comparing today’s balance sheets for non-bank stocks in the ASX 200 with those of December 2008, the ratio of total debt to total equity has fallen from 82% to 50%. The property trust (or REIT) sector is back to its conservative roots. GPT, for example, carried a debt-to-equity ratio of 87% at the end of 2008. Today it is still a touch too high, but 37% is much more manageable.

Substantially lower debt levels mean most businesses now have the wherewithal to cope with a very serious recession.

Secondly, perhaps more importantly, this time around the great businesses have been smashed too. In 2008/9, it was the highly leveraged and operationally fragile that bore most of the burden. Sure, some of those stocks are up 10-fold since – there were extraordinary bargains on offer - but those profits came with more than their fair share of risk. Most of them were a serious chance of going bust.

The likes of Woolworths, Cochlear and QBE generally held their value. That made the decision about where to put your cash difficult; to get the really cheap stocks you had to slide down the risk curve and into a pool of sleepless nights.

Today some of Australia’s businesses are trading at prices near or below their prices of March 2009. Most have them have substantially increased their franchise value in the two years since.

I’ll stick the one I’m spending lots of time on as an example. In 2008 QBE Insurance collected US$9.3bn of net insurance premiums. This year it expects to write US$14.8bn worth, and will earn a similar underwriting profit of about 10% (in insurance jargon this means a combined operating ratio of 90% - 90% of the premiums are paid out as claims and operating expenses).

Yet the share price is 16% down on its low of $15.60 on 9 March 2009. Sure, the Aussie dollar has rallied substantially. And US and European interest rates look like they’ll be low for a very long time (a large part of QBE’s profit has historically come from investing premiums and its own shareholders’ funds in highly rated debt securities).

At today’s price, though, you don’t need them to earn any return on their investments. The underwriting profit alone should be more than $1.4bn and the current market capitalisation is only 10 times that. In other words, this business should give you a pre-tax return of 10% without any return on investments and without any growth.

Those are not just conservative assumptions. They are absurd. For mine, buying QBE today is a simple decision. Working out whether GPT was going to survive was not.

PS. As an aside, low investment returns and high underwriting profits should go hand in hand. Back when interest rates were 10%, insurers could write policies at a combined operating ratio of 105 - an underwriting loss of 5% - and still make a profit thanks to the investment returns. Now that investment returns are so low, the industry needs to write policies at prices that produce an underwriting profit.

Comments

Neil P
August 11, 2011

Hi Steve,

It is good to hear more regularly from your blog again - doubtless you have been incredibly busy given these interesting and opportunistic times.

I agree with your assessment of QBE and have spent the last few days buying into QBE & MQG in particular and to a lesser extent PTM and CPU for similar reasons to those outlined above.

On a slightly different tack though regarding RCU, one of the two ASX listed AREITs in the Value fund, do you know of any significant changes to its NTA? If there are none and given today's price of 60.5 cents it would seem to be at a price/book of .25 or thereabouts!

keep up the good work
Regards
Neil P.

Steve Johnson - IIF
August 11, 2011

Thanks Neil, I'm one of those people that gets a lot more done (including the stuff that isn't urgent) when I'm under the pump. Have been a bit lethargic of late but the past few weeks have brought me back to life.

I speak to RCU far too regularly. There's no problem with the NTA that I know of but the necessary management discount gets larger every time we meet with them.

I have bought a few MQG for the other fund I run over the past week (I need more large cap stocks due to the liquidity restrictions in place). It looks cheap but I can't say I'm as confident about the future earnings power as I am about CPU and QBE.

Maz
August 11, 2011

I agree QBE is undervalued and picked some up the other day at 14.68. I don't know if I would have gone with Strong Buy necessarily though. That COR could presumably move to 95 if they have a bad run with disasters and/or there's an Aussie house price crash. All else being equal that would mean a pre-tax profit of 5% which is nothing to write home about! Admittedly this needs to be weighed up against the value to be ascribed to potential growth (via price increases or acquisition) and the near-certainty of greater-than-zero investment returns, in the long term especially. It's had a good ROE for many years so the multiple of book value at the price I paid (something around 1.5x, I think) is not too bad.

It's worth buying, just not a screaming bargain I'd suggest? (Although getting more so in the current low-$13 range).

As an aside, is this company getting to the size where Berkshire Hathaway might take an interest? Given Buffett's emphasis on the benefits of less-than-zero cost of float, their COR would surely raise his eyebrows?

JohnC
August 12, 2011

Steve, spot on with QBE and other quality big-names. Greedy markets disguise bad businesses as winners, fearful ones reveal bargains among quality businesses.

Phil O
August 12, 2011

There certainly seems to be some good value around this time. Although I think I remember the likes of ARB, Corporate Express and Flight Centre trading on single digit PEs in the GFC. I'm not sure we will see that sort of value for a while.

August 12, 2011

Steve, agree with you on QBE.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Toll. Granted it's no QBE, but it appears over-sold, notwithstanding the disruption caused by the succession issue and its exposure to retail logistics.

Kevin
August 12, 2011

Looks like a good haven for a nice sized position, good dividend yield which is attractive too.

mitch b
August 12, 2011

great reading steve, i think qbe is a bargain but the market is saying otherwise but the dvidend is good

mitch b
August 12, 2011

great reading steve, i think qbe is a bargain but the market is saying otherwise but the dvidend is good

Maz
August 19, 2011

Looks like the COR has shot up after all! (On release of the half-year results today) I wonder what it will do over the medium term - can QBE increase its premiums without losing profitable business?

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